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good evening, there is breaking news on many fronts. a mass shooting at a kroger store in collierville, tennessee. brian laundrie's whereabouts unknown after his fiancee was found murdered. and bob costa and woodward talk about their book "peril."
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we begin with investigators trying to learn more about how this all led up to the attack on the capitol. the first step is a big one, subpoenas targeting not just close aides but his very closest. cnn's ryan nobles is breaking the story. he joins us now. so who gets these subpoenas? . >> reporter: the president's closest former aides, mark meadows, dan scavino, steve bannon, cash patel. dan scavino served with trump in the early part of the organization. these were people that were also around him and in conversations with those planning the rally which took place in front of the white house that served as the prelude to the january 6 capitol insurrection.
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it's pretty clear just what the thinking is with this committee in terms of what they are looking for that they're starting with this group to ask serious questions about what they knew in the events leading up to january 6 and the reaction and response to it. >> do the subpoenas shed light on exactly where the investigation is headed? >> it really does, especially when you read the requests to these four men about what hair looking for in terms of records, and the reason they're asking for records and for these private interviews, and i'm going to read from the letter to dan scavino who is the president's former deputy chief of staff. quote, the committee believes you have reasons to understand important activities that led to and formed the events at the capitol on january 6, 2021 and relevant to former president trump's activities and communications in the period leading up to and on january 6. and that's just one example from the scavino letter. in the patel letter, remember,
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he was at the pentagon during this period of time, and, of course, the select committee has requested thousands and thousands of documents related to communications from the department of defense and the white house as it relates to their response at getting the national guard to the capitol on this day. so it shows that they're building not only a timeline, but also connecting the dots as to who was involved in the leadup to the insurrection and then the response to it on that day. >> has there been any response from these four who were subpoenaed? it seems like they would be likely to try to fight this request. >> we've reached out to all four men to get a response, this information just breaking within the last half hour, so we've not heard any response from them as of yet, but if past practice is any indication as to how they will respond, it is very likely that they will do everything they can to fight these requests. the big question that we have now is executive privilege.
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do they attempt to use executive privilege as a reason not to appear before this congressional committee? the committee would argue that there is precedent for these type of individuals serving in those type of roles to come before congress because of congress' oversight responsibilities. no doubt they've asked for this, and we should point out the record requests are asked to be fulfilled by as soon as october 27. the interviews are scheduled to take place on october 14 and 15. there's no doubt there will be a legal fight before we see any of these men come forward. >> we want to get some perspective from analyst andrew mccabe. andrew, what do you make of this move by the january 6 committee? >> it looks to me like they're taking the first steps of what will prove to be a very detailed inquiry. they're trying to get a specific
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understanding of all events and the people leading up to january 6. who met with who at what place and what time, and specifically what did the president know? what was his involvement or awareness of those preparations leading up to january 6. and then, of course, on the day of the events. some of these folks like cash patel specifically has been rumored to have been on the phone with the president many, many times that day. so there's a lot of ground that the committee could cover here to really peel back the onion on what exactly was the president thinking. what did he know was happening, what did he want to happen and what did he do to try to effect that result. >> how likely is it they would actually provide documents or actually come to appear before the committee? >> i think you could say it's highly likely they'll fight it. they'll all have the benefit of good counsel and they'll all try
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to quote themselves in every possible privilege, most especially executive privilege. i think it will be hard for the president and, therefore, even harder for his associates to use executive privilege to completely put a stop to any of this stuff. as we know, the white house refused to invoke executive privilege to prevent the testimony of jeff rosen and his deputy a few weeks ago, so i think the indicators certainly from the white house and from the legal side are that that sort of fight might fail in the long run, but the question is how long does that take. >> can the former president try to block the former aides from cooperating? >> he can. he can. as we know, anderson, and i can tell you from my own personal experience having to testify when i was serving as deputy director of the fbi, the white house was always very willing and ready to throw the words executive privilege even into
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situations where it didn't apply. the trump white house had a very expansive view on exactly what they could get out of the executive privilege, and i would expect that they will take that same approach to this situation. >> do you think the committee would actually stoop to hear from the former president himself? >> that's a great question. if they're successful in talking to all these folks, at some point it seems inevitable that they will make a request to hear from the president himself. that's a long way down the road, though. they'll want to know everything they could possibly know before they ever would have a one in a thousand chance of sitting down with him. >> andrew mccabe, thank you. we mentioned there is breaking news in the murder of gabby petito and the disappearance of his fiancee brian laundrie. first our randi kay in venice, florida where the search for
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brian laundrie wrapped up for the night. what details are you learning about in this arrest warrant? >> reporter: well, anderson, was tissue you'd by the-- issued bye district court of wyoming. the arrest warrant has an attempt to defraud and what it alleges is that brian laundrie used a debit card and pin numbers and charged upward of $1,000. the dates here are key. august 30 and september 3rd are the dates. he returned home on september 1st without gabby petito. if this is true, that's why those dates are key. but the lawyer for the laundrie family saying, hold on a second, this is not about the homicide of gabby petito, this arrest warrant is for things that happened after her death. so he is certainly trying to put
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some distance between those two things, anderson. >> what is the latest about the search for brian laundrie? >> reporter: once again, anderson, they were out here all day at the carlton reserve searching. they didn't have any dive teams today. yesterday they had ten divers. they had four swamp buggies. when the search teams can use the swamp buggies, not only do they sit higher so they can get a better perspective, but about 30% of this carlton reserve is marsh so they need to be in the cart buggy in the search for brian laundrie. they had 16 agencies involved, but still no sign of brian laundrie today. they say they'll be back at it tomorrow. >> is there any information by the police in moab, utah? >> that's the stop that took place on august 12. now we know that the city of moab, utah is investigating how moab police handled that dispute
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when they came upon gabby petito and her fiance arrive in moab. people said they saw a man slapping a woman, and the video shows gabby petito crying, it shows brian laundrie showing them scratches on his hands. what the police did that night was just separate the two of them. they said they didn't need to do anymore, they separated them for the night. now we also learned that two park rangers responded to that same call. one of them was a woman, and she told a utah newspaper that she told gabby petito that she believed that relationship was toxic and she might want to re-evaluate that. we know just two weeks later gabby petito was dead. >> host of "in pursuit with john walsh" airs wednesday on discovery and streams on
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discovery+. john walsh, what do you make of this investigation of brian laundrie? if anything, does that arrest warrant make it final? it seems to really give them reason to be out looking for them. >> i'm really surprised it took this long to get the arrest warrant. there is no other person of interest, there is no other suspect. they found her body so i thought it would be issued sooner, and i've been a little bit critical, and you know how much i love police, 144 cops died in the line of duty last year. they have the toughest job in america. but i was critical of the police stop. i'm glad to hear they're training because most cops don't know how to identify a domestic abuse victim, and i looked at it with some experts and she was shaken, he was dominating the whole thing, and then probably could have saved her life right there, and i'm glad to hear they're training them, because i always said on domestic abuse calls, they're the most dangerous.
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they should have a mental health specialist when they go to someone's house. that's when a lot of cops get killed. >> that's really interesting that in your experience you feel there is not enough training to help police officers identify victims in a domestic dispute. >> she was a battered woman, and anderson, i've ridden with almost every big fugitive squad over the last 30 years, marshals, deputies, sheriffs, you name it. they go by the most basic domestic abuse things where the cops talk to them, they get talked out of arresting them and then a few days later the lady is dead. cops are asked to have better training. when they serve those warrants or they respond to a domestic abuse call, whether it's at a house or elsewhere, they need to be able to say, this woman is a
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battered woman. brian laundrie was shaken. he even convinced officers that he was the abused victim. at the restaurant where he pushed and hit her, slapped her in the car. other people saw that. i'm all for that police training. cops need all the training and all the resources. but the warrant, anderson, i'm really surprised it took so long. i've been a little bit critical of the fbi and north port police for waiting so long. i still contend i was right, that he came home with that van and then the neighbors -- i was on fox news yesterday when those two neighbors came out on the porch. i was waiting to do the interview when they said, well, we tried to tell police that he bought that camper and he put it on his pickup truck. we saw brian working in the yard six or seven days out there, and they went away on the weekend and the husband said, i was really surprised that a couple with a tiny little camper top would take a 23-year-old son with them, and then when they came back, there was no son, and three days later the parents
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filed a missing persons report. i thought that they covered his butt when they made the call last friday -- >> we should just point out that cnn has not confirmed that detail at all. >> i should do the disclaimers before this every night, anderson, but this is my opinion. arguably, i know your lawyers are nvervous, but i've been doig this a very long time. i thought when they said he went to the reserve, the swamp, on tuesday, their great mouthpiece, the bernalino guy who i keep calling the johnny cochran wannabe, he told them this story. they found his car and put a note in there, dear brian, if you're going to hurt yourself, we're always there for you. then the parents went and got the car on thursday and on
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friday bernalino called the police. i believe they aided and a bettd and gave him more days. i believe he took off before gabby's parents filed the missing persons report. so they gave him, in my estimation, eight or nine days to get ahead of the cops. definitely when be rrnalino cald investigators and said brian was at the swamp, i think that's definitely a red herring. he's not in that swamp and he's too much of a coward. he's not going to kill himself. >> the fbi, though, have not given any indication that they view the parents as suspects, have they? >> well, you have to wait. before he was a suspect of interest, and before they have their arrest warrant, you have to respond to the fifth amendment. if he doesn't want to talk to the cops or the parents, they're fine. but i think they crossed that line when they took him in the
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camper -- that's my belief -- nine days ago, dropped him off somewhere. i think it was the north florida panhandle so he could walk across into texas. >> you searched for fugitives for a lifetime, and if this guy laundrie isn't in this nature preserve, how far away, in your experience, can somebody go? >> well, i'll tell you, bernalino covered the tracks and called on the friday. so i believe he had nine days. that's a big, big amount of time to get somewhere. i think the parents bought him burner phones, because everybody knows about pinging towers. i think the fbi, i'm sure they're smart enough to get the mother and father's phones and track what they were doing on that three-day vacation, because when they ping those phones and find out how far and where had he got, that is where i would start looking for brian. but last night on our hotline,
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anderson, we got 410 solid tips. so all night the fbi was going through them with my trained hotline operators. they think 15 of those tips spotted brian laundrie on his way, on that west florida panhandle journey that i think he went on from the panhandle of florida, pensacola area, over to alabama, louisiana, and with all the chaos going on on the border -- and you can walk across the border. i've ridden that seven times, border patrol, people just walk across into mexico. that's easy to get into. but we also had ten tips saying people had spotted him on the appalachian trail. so he thinks he's a hiker and a survivalist, so i would be saying for viewers and people listening to this tonight, keep your eyes open on the appalachian trail because we've caught a couple murderers there over the years, lots of lowlives
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and a lot of good people go on that trail. he can make takeit a long way. he's got lots of resources. his parents helped him scrub out the van. the fbi didn't find anything of value in there, but they prepared him for the run and he went northwest up to the florida panhandle like so many guys do, make that journey across, walk across the mexican border and then it's going to be a tough search. mexico is a huge country and a lot of people go to belize, and i caught a guy in belize and mexico. >> in your experience, how often do you see people end up dying by suicide, taking their own life before being apprehended? >> those are people with a conscience. those are people that are
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mentally ill, they did something terrible and they don't want to face it. brian laundrie and the dirty laundrie family has done nothing but evade police. it's despicable. they prepared him for this run. he's an egomaniacal control freak. he's a coward. he beat up a 90-pound wonderful young lady. my heart goes out to that family. it would be great if he killed himself. there would be no trial. they wouldn't have to sit there like i did and look at photos of her on the ground and stuff. if he killed himself, it would be great for the family. you know, i gave this lawyer a tip before it happened. through the media, i said, bring him in. do the right thing and have him show them where gabby's body is and then elk he can make a deal. but given he didn't bring him in and we have to hunt him down, he's facing the death penalty in
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wyoming. john bernalino didn't give good advice because now he'll be facing the death penalty and maybe his family is as guilty as he is. the lawyer may hide behind attorney-client privilege, but he made the phone call to tell the cops he's in the swamp. that's another red herring to buy time. i believe he's been out of the forest for nine days. >> john walsh, i appreciate your time. a mass shooting at a grocery store in tennessee. we'll talk to a woman who was there about what she saw. and bob costa and woodward wrote a book about trump's fim days. crunchy outside, chewy inside. ♪ tums, tums, tums, tums ♪ tums chewy bites ♪
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collierville near memphis. were police arrived they found multiple wounded victims, 13 in all, one of whom has since died. the gunman was also dead with a self-inflicted gunshot. he was in the back of the store. there were 40 employees at the time. one hid from officers, one was rescued from the roof. this person reflects on the nightmare. >> he shot one of my coworkers in the head and shot one of my customers in the stomach, and then my other customer had cuts because of the asphalt. >> well, in that time, tawana french was out in the parking lot about to walk into the store. i spoke with tawana just before air time. tawana, can you just walk us through what happened and what you saw? >> i arrived at kroger during my
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lunch break. and as i approached the door before i actually entered the door, a family, a lady with, like, four children rushed the door, pushing three in front of her, dragging one behind her, falling on the ground and screaming at the children to just run, just run. and a man out of the door ran at the same time she came out, and in a split second i heard gunfire, like four shots. >> and you knew right away it was gunfire? >> yes. >> so you're standing near the doors. what do you do? >> i turn around, go back towards the parking lot to my car. before i could get to my car, maybe five or six cars down the parking lot, i hear gunfire again, and it was what seemed
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like a lot of gunfire in quick succession, like pow, pow, pow, pow, pow. and i just wanted to leave that space. i wanted to leave. at this point i -- >> and the gunman is inside the store, still? >> i was not inside. i was inside the first doors, and before i actually stepped inside the store, that's when i heard the gunfire. i was on my way inside the store, and the gunfire happened and i was immediately turned around. it didn't sound like anything else to me but gunfire. >> you saw people running out of the store. did it seem like the store was crowded at the time? >> the store is always crowded. that store is always crowded in a very heavily populated neighborhood. i usually go there a couple times a week during my lunches.
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coming so close to that, how are you? >> very shaken. v very shaken. at that point when i turned around to leave the store, at first no one was coming out of the store and then at the other entrance, there were people running out of the store, and i heard a lady scream that she believed someone had been hit. so that was very harrowing as well, and people were just driving haywire, backing out of parking spaces to hit the street. i believe i saw the first police
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arriving at the store, and by the time i got to the main street, i saw police everywhere. they were everywhere, sirens, i could see a tech squad. on the corners of side streets, i saw police cars going up, you know, going behind buildings, you know, driving to the back side of the kroger store. >> so from the first time you heard shots when you were on your way to go into the store to seeing the police, how long do you think that was, a couple minutes? >> less than a couple minutes, yes. >> interesting. tawana french, i'm so sorry for what you went through, and i'm so glad you're doing okay. shaken, but you're very lucky and i wish you the best. >> i thank you very much. thank you very much. we have much more ahead tonight. coming up next the former president is thinking in and around the attack on the
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sources than they could wish nor. they put it in their book "peril." bob woodward and robert costa join us now. bob and robert, congratulations on the book. it's extraordinary. what is your reaction, bob, to this first round of subpoenas, and how did they square with what these aides and allies of the president were doing on around january 6 based on your reporting? >> well, the question is, of course, what happened and ultimately what did trump know, and we describe an extraordinary phone call between bannon and trump right before the insurrection in which bannon, who was the former top aide to trump, the chief strategist in the white house, tell him he had been fired at that point, but in
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the trump world you go and you come back. ban no one says to trump, we will strangle the biden presidency in the crib. and that is a foreshadowing, of course, of the violence that we saw the next day. so they're trying -- they're working around the edges in a very logical way. now bannon, what we have in our book, bannon has publicly confirmed. >> robert, bannon is one of the people, as we said, being subpoenaed. the book describes how instrumental he was in the final days of the trump presidency. as bob said, by then it was known that people who once were persona non grata around the president could easily become his best friends and advisors once again. were you surprised by how much influence bannon had on the president leading up to january
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6? >> it's significant that they were in such communication, that this was not some kind of outsider occasionally talking to president trump at the time. you also had bannon being very close to giuliani. whe what you see the committee doing with these subpoenas, and if you read them carefully, they're trying to figure out what the president is doing. there are accounts of the president kind of watching t television idly in the white house january 6. bannon talking with the president by phone after he met with vice president pence to apply the pressure to try to get him on the 6th to throw out electors. s scovina also worked for president trump, and scavino was saying he was there later in the
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oval office as president trump opened the window of the oval office so he could hear his supporters. the committee wants to hear from all of these players. >> so, robert, the notion of the president watching tv, is that accurate from what you were able to find? >> it is accurate in terms of action. we have that scene in our book, but the action before the 6th is so critical to understand the pressure being put on vice president pence. we revealed in our book and cnn has done great reporting on this as well how john eastman, the conservative lawyer, had a six-page memo to try to get vice president pence to throw out electors. a subpoena tonight, the chief of staff working on january 2nd at the white house, all in our book. all these scenes show a collective picture of effort on the trump side to try to get the
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election to not go to biden on the 6th. >> bob, in the wake of your reporting about senators lindsey graham and mike freed looking at this and finding it baseless, president trump said, quote, i spent virtually no time with senators mike lee of utah or lindsey graham. lindsey and mike should be ashamed of themselves for not putting up the night necessary to win. so he has his allies who have to put themselves out repeatedly to suck up to him and play golf with him. anyone who didn't support trump in the election or didn't support him vigorously or long enough essentially gets the president's ire and blacklisted. >> yes.
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but what is significant is lindsey graham, mike lee, two of the most pro-trump republicans in the senate looked -- they got the written documentation. giuliani sent thick packet s of material to lindsey graham. he then got his chief counsel on the senate judiciary committee to launch a neutral aggressive investigation. mike leeves, the most conservative republican that you can get, said there are seven states that have alternative electors, alleging that this would be the basis for pence to say, oh, i can't decide who has won the election. so mike lee got on the phone like a reporter and started calling the legislators in those
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states of arizona, wisconsin, pennsylvania and georgia and where is the alternative slate? nothing. absolutely zero. he couldn't believe it, and he talked to trump and said, this doesn't hold up at all, but trump has dismissed anyone who will face the reality that this was not a stolen election. >> we have to take a quick break. we'll pick up the conversation with bob and robert about new reporting in the post and from cnn about what the biden white house is leaning toward doing which could help the investigation, releasing information about what the president and his former aides were doing. tl there is also a legal showdown about executive privilege. we'll be right
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again, our breaking news. the january 6 select committee subpoenaed four loyalists as they investigate how the investigation fueled the january 6 insurrection. that will likely set up a historic legal fight. the house committee investigating the attack on the capitol has requested, and i'm
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quoting, all documents and communications within the white house on that day. that includes call logs on meetings. back with us, bob woodward and robert costa, co-authors of the new book "peril." the biden white house is moving to release information on former president trump to january 6 congressional investigators. can you tell us what they were doing that day based on the book? >> well, a lot was going on. there was an intensity in this period of november, december and january. what's interesting is this discussion in the biden white house about releasing this material. former president trump is likely to assert executive privilege, and one of the things that happens in history, one president will say, particularly
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from another party, oh, let's get out the dirt from the former president, and then the lawyers will come in and say, mr. president, if you do that, then there is going to be another president who will come in, and if it serves the moment, either politically or in terms of the evidence, will release what goes on in secret in your white house, and often you find the president pulling back. i would not be surprised to see that happen. >> robert, i often think this is important to look at what we still don't know or what investigators want to know. there's so much new detail in your book. what do you still -- what are kind of the moments you would like to know more about? you talk about that meeting in the willard hotel of giuliani and scavino and bannon the day before the insurrection.
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what are still an unanswered question? >> the unanswered question and we tried in "peril" to answer as many as we could, but looming in the committee is where is the connection between the crowds gathering outside on pennsylvania avenue in front of the willard hotel. the war room set up with giuliani and bannon inside the willard hotel and the president and vice president just steps away at the white house. what was the level correlation? there were direct calls from the white house, president trump, into the willard war room. this was not just some kind of wall between the two sides. was there ever an extension into the protests? that's something the committee is likely to look into. what was the communication among those different key pivotal groups on january 6. >> you know, bob, i think a lot of people who were sort of exhausted by the four years of the prior administration, perhaps that sort of checked out and they're not as involved in
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following the permutations of what's gone on any given day as maybe they were during the former administration. the final line in the book is "peril remains." can you just talk about why does peril still remain? >> well, because as you know, trump looks like he's running. he's going out and holding these rallies. my partner bob costa would always listen to the recent trump rallies. they're extraordinary. he sounds like winston churchill. we will never give up, we will keep fighting. these are war speeches that former president trump is giving. but you know, there's some things, if you'll bear with me that we do know that i think are really important about what went on in this period. gina haspel, who was the cia
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director, appointed by trump, on november 10 -- this is about a week after the election and one of the things trump did is fire secretary of defense esper and put somebody in who was going to, you know, be a trump loyalist. and gina haspel, this is remarkable, because she was 35 years as a case officer, very, very tough reputation, said the following. we quote her on november 10. yesterday was appalling when esper was fired. we are on the way to a right wing coup. the whole thing is insanity. he, trump, is acting like a six-year-old with a tantrum. then later when they have a meeting on iran and trump seems
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interested in conducting strikes, she says, this is a highly dangerous situation. we are going to lash out for his so you have the professional cia director, who is in the business of assessing instability, unstable leaders, saying what i'm quoting. >> churchill had a great sense of a turn of phrase. i'm not sure trump -- >> i think bob is saying he's taking churchill's language, he's stealing the rhetorical flourishes of churchill. >> that's interesting. i have to will be to him. i have not. go ahead, bob. >> no, there's so much nonsense in the rallies that trump hold and then he gets to the ending, and it truly is -- >> okay. >> it is not something -- something to be passive about
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a day after talks at the white house aim to getting democrats on the same page on the two key bills in the president's agenda, there are signs or at least the sounds of movement. the president, as you know wants democrats to pass the bipartisan infrastructure bill while house and senate democrats reach agreement on a larger bill which would be passed under reconciliation with human infrastructure items, child care, prescription drug prices, climate change and more. they've been at it for weeks, as you know, with moderate and progressive democrats fighting over the timing of the house vote on the reconciliation bill. we began hearing a change from some of that party and then this afternoon house and senate leaders announced they'd come up
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with a way to finance what is ultimately agreed on. >> the white house, the house and the senate have reached agreement on a framework that will pay for any final negotiated agreement. so the revenue side of this we have an agreement on. >> a framework, what does that mean? >> that means we are proceeding. we've made great progress and we're proceeding. >> no real details on any of it. joining us is congresswoman jayapal who chairs the progressive caucus. you have said you'll vote no on the infrastructure bill if the spending package doesn't pass. if democrats lose it all because you and others stood on principle would you regret that choice looking back? >> anderson, it's good to be with you tonight. the two bills comprise the build
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back better agenda that the president laid out for us in front of congress. and so when we met with the president yesterday he reiterated that he wants both of these bills and the deal that was passed when the bipartisan bill passed the senate was that both bills would proceed in the house because we just cannot afford to leave behind child care, leave behind paid leave and not take on climate change, and so that is still our position. we will very happily vote for both bills as soon as the reconciliation bill is passed and then we will vote for the infrastructure bill and we intend to do that. we are this close and this close to getting it done and we're excited to deliver that to the president. >> i understand look, everything is a negotiation and you have to stand as long as you can in what you want, but if the only way to get the reconciliation package passed is to drop the price tag
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from $3.5 trillion to a lower number do you think it's worth it for americans to have a smaller increase in spending on social programs than no increase at all? >> well, let me be clear, we put out our proposal, the people -- the very few about nine or 11 people that have said they aren't ready to vote for the reconciliation package have not given us any other offer. so the president yesterday said to that group and then he reiterated to us when we met with him that he said, if you want to -- if somebody wants to make this number smaller tell us what you want to cut, right? ultimately, what are you for and then let's figure out the price tag from there. that has to be the beginning of the discussion, and so far that has not come at all. >> that's a discussion you're willing to entertain? >> well, i just think our number is 3.5. if someone wants to cut something they've got to tell us what it is they want to cut and we all understand that we've all got to get on the same page and there are going to be things that conservative democrats
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don't want to vote for that we are going to have to put in here that they'll have to vote for and there will be things that progressive democrats don't want to vote for, but they'll have to vote for it. so we'll have to come together, and i believe we can do that, but we're not leaving part of the agenda behind. >> right. >> and we're not taking the urgency off of child care, paid leave, climate change. >> the 3.5 trillion number, if they come back and those conservative democrats come back with a different figure you are willing to perhaps negotiate on that? that's not -- >> i don't know what they're -- nobody's said anything, so i don't see any reason to negotiate against myself. i'm at 3.5. that's the number the president was at and that's the number the senate was at and if somebody wants to change that number you have to tell us what you're going to cut. i just don't see any reason to negotiate with nothing. >> yeah. >> so that's -- that's the
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important thing right now. we all know that we want to get this thing passed and we're going to get it passed, and it's going to be transformational investment, but we're not leaving anything behind. so we're not passing an infrastructure bill and then saying oh, there's no urgency to taking on climate change or immigration or any of these other things. we are going to pass the reconciliation bill first as was agreed upon by the senate and then we are going to pass the infrastructure bill and pass it on to the president and we'll make changes transformational in people's lives. >> congresswoman jayapal, we will continue to watch. thank you very much for talking about it. >> thank you. >> right now the news continues and we'll hand it over to chris. >> i am chris cuomo, welcome to prime time. we have two breaking stories developing on our watch. first, the january 6th committee said it would not ask nicely and it hasn't. four subpoenas to trump's four horsemen, mark meadows, steve bannon and scavino and patel